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't -- they are playing politics all the time. >> yeah. and another favorite moment for me, dana, was the jack kennedy moment when ryan struggles to defend romney's tax plan. >> how is that? >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve these preferences for middle class workers. >> not mathematically possible. >> it has never been done before. >> it has been done a couple times before. >> jack kennedy -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> done exactly right and is absurd. >> you know, i think the republicans that i saw during the debate and after were saying, that was rude he wasn't allowing him to talk? you know, what's wrong with that? i like the idea that he was doing the constant interjex. it was getting under ryan's skin. it was rattling him. what's wrong with the grimmaces, the constant heckling? the policies were one thing and i think getting in his face was just the right medicine last night. >> now, let me ask the big picture political question, dana, and i want margie to weigh in as well. the democratic base for mr. b biden or did it just help ril up the base? >> it did clearly energyi

, it is decisive. it is usually a muddled outcome, or one of the bad moments, like, i knew jack kennedy, you're no jack kennedy. but there was no sound bite in this. one other point. the moderator. i know jim lehrer has taken a lot of abuse because it lost control of the debate. we want a moderate and not to be in control. why should he be in control? the debate ought to be about the participants. i think if the moderator, ever in the future, says we have to stop this and move on, i would like to hear what candidates say, why? besides we have to have six segments instead of five. >> i have to agree on this one. the criticism of jim lehrer is off base. i noticed in the debate from top to time, obama weblog to him as if to say, help me, jim. that was not jim lehrer's role. >> in that case, the candidates should simply ask each other questions. >> let me ask you about donna brown states. as of friday, realclearpolitics average, obama, 7.6 in watching -- wisconsin been in pennsylvania, 10. new hampshire, six. ohio, 5.5. virginia, 3.5. will those numbers change? >> i think he was a tightening of

lloyd benson's he dig at senator john quail in 1988. >> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> memorable moments, but hardly game-changers. while presidential debates can affect the outcome of an election, vice presidential debates, like this week's upcoming match-up between vice president biden and his gop challenger paul ryan, are a different animal. >> you need to be able to see that each vice presidential candidate has hit the standard of readiness. they'll be ready in an emergency in a national crisis to step into the oval office and to take the reins of the presidency. beyond that, in terms of the actual debate itself, unless there is a stark killing or stark catching moment, it rarely changes the course of the debate. >> donna brazile says the first rule here is to do no harm. >> in terms of substance, try not to break any new ground. this is an audition for 2016. this is about 2012, and the top of the ticket. >> i don't like a damn thing about him. >> biden, who participated in more than 20 debates and forums in the 2008 camp

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served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> it can be a tough line for a washington veteran to walk, touting experience without talking down to an opponent. something that george h.w. bush failed at during his 1984 debate with geraldine ferraro. >> let me help you with the difference, miss ferraro, between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> geraldine ferraro, the first ever female vp candidate, shot back with this. >> let me just say, first of all, that i almost resent, vice president bush, your patronizing attitude that you have to teach me about foreign policy. >> sometime just one line can cement the public's view of a candidate. ross perot's running mate, admiral james stockdale, initially got laughs for this opening line. >> who am i? why am i here? >> he ended up the butt of jokes for years to come. then there was bob dole's nasty tone during the '76 debate that helped shape a long-lasting negative image for the future nominee for president. >> i figured out the other day, if we added up the killed and under

served with jack kennedy, i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. hey. hey eddie. i brought your stuff. you don't have to do this. yes i do. i want you to keep this. it'd be weird. take care. you too. [ sighs ] so how did it go? he's upset. [ male announcer ] spend less time at gas stations with best in class fuel economy. it's our most innovative altima ever. ♪ try this... bayer? this isn't just a headache. trust me, this is new bayer migraine. [ male announcer ] it's the power of aspirin plus more in a triple action formula to relieve your tough migraines. new bayer migraine formula. [ male announcer ] why do more emergency workers everywhere trust duracell...?? duralock power preserve. locks in power for up to 10 years in storage. now...guaranteed. duracell with duralock. trusted everywhere. extra curricular activities help provide a sense of identity and a path to success. joining the soccer team. getting help with math. going to prom. i want to learn to swim. it's hard to feel normal, when you can't do the normal things. to help, sle

kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> part of why the stakes feel so high tonight is that incumbent presidents almost always lose to the candidate challenging them in their first debate. the exception to that is bill clinton beating dole in their first debate in '96. other than that every time the first debate has been a killer for the incokucumbent president. president carter lost to ronald reagan, president reagan lost his first debate to robert mondale. president bush lost his first debate to bill clinton and ross perot. next president bush lost his first debate to john kerry. so when president obama lost his first debate last week to his challenger, mitt romney, that outcome was totally in keeping with the sad, sad incumbent president tradition of getting creamed in their first debate. but what hat means for tonight is that the democrats are looking for a solid performance to try to stop the republican momentum, to try to quash the poll imbalance that romney and ryan have been enjoying since the debate last week even if st

moment, like i knew jack kennedy. there was not a sound bite in this. one other point, the moderator. i know jim lehrer has taken a lot of abuse because he lost control of the debate. we want the moderate enough to be in control. why should be in control of the debate? the debate ought to be about the participants. if the moderator ever in the future says, we have got to stop this and move on, i would like to hear one candidate say, why? besides we have to have six segments instead of five. >> the criticism of jim lehrer is -- from time to time, obama would look at him saying, help me, jim. mitt is not playing fair. >> in that case, the candidates should simply ask each other questions. >> as of friday, realclearpolitics average. wisconsin, obama, 7.6. michigan, 10 appeared pennsylvania, 10. new hampshire, six. ohio, 5.5. virginia, 3.5. are those numbers don't change, jonathan? >> i think you will see a tightening of the race to florida and virginia will be competitive. the problem for romney is ohio. no republica has ever won the white house without ohio. there is a path for him to do

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's zinger against dan quayle. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: and this from ross perot's running mate. >> who am i? why am i here? >> reporter: questions unlikely to surface thursday night, at least by these two. ron mott, nbc news, st. petersburg, florida. >>> and a reminder, we'll have live nbc news coverage of every moment of thursday night's debate, including our correspondents and analysis. that's thursday night here on this nbc station, 9:00 eastern, 6:00 pacific time. >>> in pennsylvania, this was sentencing day for jerry sandusky. convicted earlier this year of 45 counts of child sexual abuse. tonight a judge has sent him to prison for what will most likely be the rest of his life. but not before the former penn state assistant coach had his say in court. nbc's john yang has our report from the courthouse. >> reporter: jerry sandusky said nothing as he arrived in a red prisoner's jumpsuit over a bulletproof vest, looking thinner after 112 days in jail. inside, he sat passively, as three of his victims told the court of the psychological effects of sandusky's abu

in the night for the wisconsin congressman. >> ronald reagan -- >> oh, now, your jack kennedy. >> reporter: as predicted by the campaign, the vice president came out grinning, flapping, flailing arms. he was aggressive, attacking the republican ticket hard. >> we will have credibility on this issue. >> incredible. >> thank goodness we have these sanctions in place, in spite of their opposition. it has been discredited by studies, over 100 criminal investigations. >> reporter: along the way, the vice president cut in. >> >> mr. vice president, i know you're under duress -- to make up for lost ground. >> reporter: he talked about the auto bailout. >> when mr. ryan said that romney was a car guy, i thought well if they have them in an elevator, i guess he was. >> reporter: for a group of undecided voters put together in virginia, a split decision. this voter thought mr. biden won. >> the vice president did. >> why? >> i think he came off as being very strong, emotional, and i like the looking at the camera and talking to the american people. >> reporter: another, paul ryan. >> vice president

and it's been done before. >> it has never been done before. >> it has never been -- >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, be now you're jack kennedy? >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> was that nervous laughter of the audience that you could hear? whol had to meet the threshold of competency and he did. biden scored points on substance. don't be surprised if we hear the most effective lines of attack from the president himself at next week's town hall-style debate in new york. the question is, how much was biden hurt on style. republicans did what they could to turn him into al gore, the eye rolls, sighs, that kind of thing. >> he reminded me of al gore in 2000 walking over and standing by president bush and getting in his face. >> i don't know if he thought it was a joke but he was laughing a lot. >> it was bizarre. i thought it was belittling. >> when the other side is spending their time tweeting and going after eye rolls and smirks, they are losing the debate and everybody knows it. >> the problem for republicans with the gore narrative, al gore did someth

the most tweets? the answer is -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> now you're jack kennedy. more than 58,000 tweets were sent after the kennedy reference. one more thing, moderator martha raddatz, twitter followers increased from 6,000 to more than 20,000 during the debate. and join our conversation online. you can join me on twitter. i think i'm at 50,000 now and @newsnation. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] this is rudy. his morning starts with arthritis pain. and two pills. afternoon's overhaul starts with more pain. more pills. triple checking hydraulics. the evening brings more pain. so, back to more pills. almost done, when... hang on. stan's doctor recommended aleve. it can keep pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is rudy. who switched to aleve. and two pills for a day free of pain. ♪ [ female announcer ] and try aleve for relief from tough headaches. [ female announcer ] and try aleve then don't miss sleep train's wbest rest event.st ever? you'll find sleep train's very best mattresses at the guaranteed lowest price. plus, pay no interest for 3 years on

. >> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine, yes. okay, new pew poll out today shows mitt romney with a four-point lead over president obama among likely voters, but of course, everyone is watching polls from the key battleground states -- ohio, florida, michigan, to some extent now. is there any indication, or do you see any trends looking at the national numbers that tell you, do they influence voters in swing states? do they give us an indication of how voting might go in swing states? >> oh, absolutely, on the latter, an indication. one of the reasons we at gallup focus a lot on the national numbers is because the same tide that will sweep voters nationally usually will move voters in the swing states. it's very rare that the national numbers don't reflect what's in the swing states or the electoral college. 200020 being the most recent exception. so yes, if we're seeing romney doing better nationally, there's no doubt we will see him, as we have in some polls, doing better in the swing states as well. so, the two move in lockstep based on our analysis. >> frank newpor

have more experience than jack kennedy when he was running for president and lloyd benson says, you're no jack kennedy. >> right. as the story goes, quale was warned not to make that comparison in his debate prep but for some reason it just stuck in his head as an effective tool but it blew up on him. >> and the funny thing is though, tamron, i talked to quale a couple of days ago. he said, i still benefitted the republican ticket in 1988 and in 1992 because i did what vice presidential candidates need to do in debatsz, not focus on the guy across the hall for me. yes, benson got a good line off on me, i focused on michael dukakis, bill clinton in 1992, and i think you can expect that paul ryan is going to do the same thing. >> john harwood, a big night. thank you so much for your time. i'll see you soon, john. that does it for this edition of "news nation." i'm tamron hall. stay with msnbc tonight with special primetime coverage of the vice presidential debate at 8:00 p.m. eastern. "the cycle" is up next. that ma. with wholesome noodles and bite sized chicken, nothing brings you to

. >> reporter: or ryan's attempt to compare the mitt romney tax plan to jack kennedy's. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates. >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> reporter: ryan was able to fire back with a few zingers of his own. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground. i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> reporter: republicans in the post debate spin room tried to make the case biden failed not only on style. >> quite frankly i was embarrassed for the vice president. i mean, the laughs. we counted 82 times that joe biden interrupted paul ryan. >> reporter: but also on substance pointing to the vice president's response on whether there was adequate security before the attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. >> and they wanted more security there. >> well, we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> we just had a major hearing on this. that was one of the heart -- the heart of the point was these requests went unheated. and obviously

in place. >> oh, god. >> this is a plan that's bipartisan. jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> that is so funny. but in all seriousness, folks, this is a guide but it's also a call to action because at the end of the day, one or two debates shouldn't inspire an entire election. voters need to look at the candidates' record and their platform to make a decision. more importantly your vote matters, but if you're undecided and you don't show up to vote or you can't decide between these two candidates, then come november 6, we may just get the government that we deserve. at the table, glen johnson, politics ed tort at politicsboston.com. and thea butler, religious stois proffers at university of pennsylvania and matt welch editor in chief at "reason" magazine. so nice to have all of you here. thea, is it possible we get the government we deserve? is it possible that wi deserve mitt romney, that 12% of us are undecided. >> i hate to say we deserve mitt romney but we might get him. if people don't pay attention and they're watching more of hon honey boo than they are of t

are alwayslooki. have a great weekend. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> the smoke has cleared after the first vice-presidential debate. >> here's the things -- [overlapping dialogue] >> sean: we will recap joe biden's bizarre, strange, weird behavior in last night's showdown. former vice-president dick cheney is here for a "hannity" exclusive interview. >> we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> sean: tonight, we fact check joe biden. the results are downright embarrassing. how will the obama mania media spin the performances. find out in our weekly segment of media mash. more shocking comments out of the white house over the benghazi coverup. the entire reason that this has become the -- you know, political topic it is is because of mitt romney and paul ryan. >> sean: we are just 25 days from the election. "hannity" starts right here, right now. tonight, the former vice-president of the united states, dick cheney is giving us his exclusive reaction to the debate. first, a recap of the faceoff between crazy uncle joe biden and congressman paul ryan.

's. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> here's later in debate, al gore walked up to bush. >> al gore tries to come over and be the bully and get in h face. bush doesn't say anything. just looks at him, smiles, giv him the head wink, and goes on. >> i believe i can. >> that was it. it just -- you know, it just absolutely devastated gore. >> you watch him go. >> yeah. we all revert to our junior high mentality, you know, when our team scored. yeah, you know! >> most people don't know is that bush had been prepared. >> jud gregg, who had played the role of al gore in the debate prep, had seen him pull this trick. said to bush, be prepared, he's going to come and get in your face. we all dismissed at the time, but sure enough it hapned. >> which raises the question how do candidates prepared? these two debate coach showed me. they prepped president bush for debate. o'donnell later coached mitt romney and michele bachmann. they spent hours trying to replicate debate moments. >> you have the candidate stand in front of a podium like this as realistic as possible? >> yeah. you want a strong beari

in the bush administration if that unfortunate event ever occurred. >> senator? >> i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. he was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. [cheers and applause] >> please, you're calling taking time away from the candidate. >> that was uncalled for, as senator. [cheers and applause] >> your the one making the comparison, and i was one who knew him well. frankly, i did not think the comparison was well taken. >> and the 2012 vice- presidential debate on thursday night begins at 7:00 p.m. eastern here on c-span. in a here is a portion of what he had to say. >> be where tax reform plan said only get specific about what top rate they want to lock in. the lower the rate that gets promised, the fewer the details that it provided about the rest of their plan. take a hard look at how this might be accomplished. they presented an illustrative plan with the top rate of 28%. the plan did raise significant revenue. it raised taxes on middle-class families with households making around $100,000 getting a tax increase of over a thousand dollars. under the

to channeling lloyd bentsen's famous attack on dan quayle. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> you can cut tax rates by 20%. >> not mathematically possible. >> it is mathematically possible. it's been done before. it's precisely what we're prosing. >> never been done before. >> it's been done a couple of times actual. >> i never been done. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. ronald reagan -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> reporter: well, it's a busy day for three of the four guys on the ticket here. you've got mitt romney who starts his day in north carolina, hits virginia and meets up though with paul ryan in the evening for a joint event in ohio. joe biden, he's going to paul ryan's home state in wisconsin. president obama actually has sort of a down day at the white house, though he does have dinner with a bunch of campaign supporters. matt? >> all right, chuck todd, thank you very much. rachel maddow is the left of "the rachel maddow show" on msnbc and going into this joe biden needed to steady the ship and calm the democratic side. did he accomplish that? >> democr

1952 with jack kennedy and richard nixon. >> greta: i don't think they thought it through, whether or not it would bey questions, 20-minute break, load the teleprompter and come back on and answer it. >> that's unbelievable. this is madison, this is an outstanding school and bright kids there. you know? not good, greta. >> greta: all right. let's go -- okay. let's go to the former vice-president of the united states. he suggested that the reason might be that denver is a mile-high city and the altitude was high and that may have made it difficult because president obama just arrived that afternoon. >> is he aware that the president gave his acceptance speech inent 08 in an open stadium in denver? didn't seem to bother him there. he did a great job in denver. i don't know what the president is thinking. but, you know, really, let me say this. i have never seen tbut almost expected it the next morning. it was all out, a pack of lies, romney had told lies, changed his position, misrepresented things. got his facts wrong. it came down to a simple question. if he did that, the president

was giving him example. first one was jack kennedy. and he said now you are jack kennedy. listen to what he was saying >> chris: we knew because paul ryan said. i expect joe biden to come at me like a cannon ball. he seemed like he was amped up on 5 hour energy . the very first topic libya and it was tough on the administration. but there was something that the administration had in its pocket and that is mr. joe biden. made stuff up and forget about the house testimony we heard and experts and people on the ground said we asked for more help and mr. security. joe biden said that never happened. watch. >> there were no protest why did that go on. >> it is what we were told by the intelligence community. and they told us that and they learned more facts, they chaced their assessment. >> they wanted more security there. >> we were not told that. and we did not know they wanted more security. at the time we said exactly what the intelligence community told us they knew, that was the assessment. as they changed their view we made it clear. >> brian: real quick. secrets because he said the state

of the candidates, such as when dan quayle was not able to respond to the charge that he was no jack kennedy. but the thing is the atmospherics, continuing the narrative. pressure is on joe biden to do something that causes people to not think about what happened in the last debate with the presiden he has got to be able to get back on the offensive. he has probably been told a number of things that he has got to say, many of the things the president did not say, and, hopefully, they were -- i think the obama campaign is looking for the needle to be bounced a little bit, even their their -- even though there is no tradition that shows that the needle gets a bounce by the vice presidential debate. >> there are a couple of other things we want to get your reaction to. first is from the 2008 debate in which vice president, then senator, joe biden discussed the role of the vice-president and also referenced then vice president dick cheney. >> you mentioned a moment ago that competition might give the vice president more power than it has in the past. do you believe, as vice president cheney does

. >> lloyd benson and dan quayle, 2002008. >> jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. (cheer (cheers) >> that was a fierce moment. >> that was a strong zinger and perhaps the most memorable moment from the vice-presidential debate and often, a vice-presidential debate is about assurance. can the second person on the ticket become president and step in if need be. you've got to remember in 1988 who was president? ronald reagan. lloyd benson had been in the senate 17 years, dan quayle, 7 years, that was about gravitas and the senior statesman versus the young new guy upstart. this time it's different because barack obama was in his 40's when he became president and even though joe biden is three decades older than paul ryan, that issue is muted a little bit. >> clayton: interestingly in 2008. then candidate biden, vice-presidential nominee at the time had a walk a delicate balance with sarah palin. he had to be respectful of her on the stage and strong a lot of people thought it was a tie at theened of the debate wherever you stand on it want matter, but here i

to teach me about foreign policy. >> and this got a blistering response. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> the debate in 1992 was described as a free for all. >> in foreign countries, foreign aid -- >> senator, it's in your book on page 3 -- >> vice president dick cheney and john edwards was barely civil. >> the first time i ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight. >> he is wanted to go after medicaid, social security, and policy. >> i think he will get a zinger or two from joe biden. i don't think he is worried as being perceived as talking down to paul ryan. >> and other moments cobe important too, he showed his emotional side in the last debate. i know what it's like to wonder if your kid is going to make it. >> and because they have never gone head to head, anything could happen. >>> and vice president biden and congressman ryan face off in their on vice presidential debate tomorrow night. you can watch it live on cnn and cnn.com. our coverage begins at 7:00 p.m. eastern. happening now, a hearing about the quilling of the united states ambassador. and the mother of a

. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: in 1992, it was described as a free-for-all with dan quayle and al gore continually interrupting each other. >> in foreign countries -- foreign aid. senator, it's in your book. >> reporter: vice president cheney and senator john edwards barely kept their debate civil with cheney blasting edwards for his attendance recordn congress. >> the first time i ever met you was when you walked on the stag tonight. >> reporter: thursday biden is expected to go after ryan on issues like medicaid, social security and foreign policy. >> i wouldn't be surprised if you got a zinger or two from joe biden. i don't think he's worried about being perceived as talking down to paul ryan. >> reporter: and the personal momes

a couple of times. >> now you are jack kennedy. [laughter] >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys are not used to doing bipartisan deals. that is how you get things done. >> the republican congress working? 7% rating? >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts. he did not demonize them, he did not demagogue them. he met with those party leaders every week. he did not compromise principles. he balanced the budget. >> why isn't he contesting massachusetts? >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy? >> let the taxes expire like they were supposed to on these millionaires. we cannot afford $800 billion going to people making a minimum of a million dollars. they do not need it, martha. those 120,000 families make $800 million a year. why is my friend -- >> can you declare anything off-limits? home mortgage deductions? >> this taxes a million small businesses. >> 97% of the small businesses make less than $250,000 a year. >> this taxes a million people. >> 97%. >> and you're going to increase -- >> we are not going to cut the

're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan -- >> reporter: it is a busy day today for three of the four guys on the ticket. mitt romney is on his way from north carolina, in virginia later this evening, he meets up with paul ryan for a big joint event in ohio. joe biden is going to paul ryan's home state of wisconsin. meanwhile, president obama actually has sort of a down day at the white house, though he does have a dinner with a bunch of campaign supporters. matt? >> chuck todd, thank you very much. rachel maddow is the host of msnbc's rachel maddow show. coffee is on me. going s debate, everybody said the goal of joe biden was to steady the ship, calm the nerves on the democratic side. did he do that? >> absolutely. democrats are psyched joe biden had a great night. you said at the top there was no clear winner and that may be, but it was important for the democrats that paul ryan not be the clear winner. most democrats, i don't know about independents, but most democrats think joe biden won. >> i think there's no winner because of joe biden's style, his demeanor. if we learned anything,

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